Tuesday, February 23, 2021

Day 17

12:40 A.M.

Like I said, my TV wasn't getting the USA network, so I was following the Raw updates online.  I was checking Wreddit, Twitter, the F4W Board, and also a livestream commentary from a YouTube channel called Wrestling Daze.  And something occurred to me:  No one can actually predict what's going to happen.  No one.  There was a moment during the show when Miz was texting somebody, and people in the livestream chat thought he might be texting Brock Lesnar.  And it's like...why the fuck would The Miz be texting Brock Lesnar?  It makes no sense in kayfabe, or in reality, frankly.  Everyone is always hyping up a hypothetical matchup between Bobby Lashley and Brock Lesnar, and, y'know, it could happen.  Everyone kinda wants to see it, and if you're going to do it then you might as well do it at WrestleMania.  But people were watching the show tonight thinking Miz must be texing Brock Lesnar, and...it just wouldn't make sense.  They could reveal that's who Miz was texting, but it just struck me at that moment how, if you're following a chat or following a livestream, everyone is constantly spouting out predictions of what will happen, and the spouting of predictions kind of drives me crazy.  I don't eve want to hear it.  I don't ever want to be exposed to it, so I wound up muting the livestream so I wouldn't have to hear the guy reading all the comments from the chat.  More notably, people in the F4W Board were convinced the match tonight between Braun Strowman and Bobby Lashley was going to end in a DQ or some fuck finish that would allow Braun Strowman to get into a triple threat match next week for the title, and then Bobby Lashley just beat him clean in like five minutes.  I took some Fireshot screenshots of a few pages, because that's the sort of thing I want to remember:  No one can actually predict what's going to happen.  So there's no point listening to any commentary where someone tries to predict or anticipate where the storylines are going to go.  I mean, you can listen to them for entertainment value, but it's not really healthy entertainment value, in a way.   

1:10 A.M.

There have been 215 posts on Wreddit in the last 24 hours, so that number is dropping a little bit.  I think it was close to 240 for the pay-per-view yesterday, but 215 is a bit low considering there was a Raw last night.

1:15 A.M.

Right now there are only two nostalgia posts in the top 25.  The #21 post is titled "Vampiro and The Misfits in WCW," it's an image post via i.redd.it, and it has 715 upvotes.  The #26 post is titled "That time when Daniel Bryan got eliminated from NXT and mentions Bryan Danielson on live tv."  It's a video post via v.redd.it, and it has 475 upvotes.  Why wouldn't someone just post the YouTube clip of that scene?  Surely someone would've uploaded it to YouTube in the past 10 years, right?  

1:30 A.M.

There was a post yesterday about Bad Bunny's Instagram account, and it was, at the time it was posted, the only thread all day mentioning Bad Bunny.  So of course there were a lot of people in the comments hyping up how popular Bad Bunny is.  

I was also reading some of the anti-Meltzer threads from a few days ago.  Sometimes you'll see people sharing tweets from a couple accounts like @MeltzerSaidWhat and @BluRayWrestling, and typically these guys will embed an audio clip from one of Meltzer's radio shows.  And it's usually a 30-second clip that the people on Twitter know will rile people up.  Sometimes the people defending Dave in the comments on Reddit will say the audio clips are missing context.  That sort of jousting doesn't make sense to me.  The audio clips aren't really taken out of context; the issue is that they're selected bits from a 60-minute conversation, and if you only highlight 30 seconds, you kind of transform the meaning no matter what.  It's like when Jimmy Dore takes a two-hour interview of someone on Joe Rogan and highlights a one-minute portion and everyone in his audience jeers at the guest.  I'm thinking specifically of the Bari Weiss clip.  When you're taking a 30-second clip and broadcasting it to an audience of haters, you're transforming the clip no matter what.


11:05 A.M.

The top post on Wreddit this morning was titled "Daniel Bryan’s Spear-to-YesLock reversal was smooth as butter."  It was a gif from this past Sunday's Elimination Chamber pay-per-view.  It got about 800 or 900 upvotes in just a few hours, but it was removed for being a re-post.  So now the #1 post is 12 hours old.  It's a graphic of The Miz and all his title wins.  So it's almost the middle of the day and there isn't anything fresh at the top of the subreddit.  The next-closest thing is a quote from Dave Meltzer from last night's Wrestling Observer Radio. That thread has 196 upvotes after 3-1/2 hours, and it's in the #3 spot.  

11:10 A.M.

There's only one post in the top 50 right now which is less than 2 hours old, and that's a WrestlingInc.com article with an excerpt from a Kurt Angle interview.  That's almost 2 hours old and it's only got 15 upvotes so far.  So the door is wide open for any new thread to come along and rise to the top of the subreddit.  The Meltzer post could rise to the #1 spot, but 196 upvotes after 3-1/2 hours really isn't a lot compared to most posts that get to the top spot.

11:15 A.M.

There have been 5 new posts in the last 12 minutes, and two of them are about Maki Itoh.  There's also a thread with a YouTube link titled "Giant Haystacks vs Tony Francis."  It's always amusing to see random old matches like that, even though they never get more than a handful of upvotes.  It has 0 upvotes after 14 minutes, and also the embedded YouTube video doesn't expand very much when you click on it.  Maybe the OP messed up when copying-and-pasting the link.

11:25 A.M.

One poster, SuplexCity-Mayor, just posted a video of Miz's promo after his first title win, but the post got removed (whether by the OP or a mod) after just a few minutes, which means it probably wasn't captured by any service like RedditSearch.io or Google cache.  Sometimes people just post stuff and delete it after a few minutes and there's no record of it at all unless you happen to have it in your browser history or you still have it visible in one of your tabs.  The permalink never goes away--that's why they call it a permalink.  But you need the specific URL.  And if you don't have the URL, it's really hard to find.  Not impossible to find, just really hard to find.

11:35 A.M.

That JakeJeremy guy was called out for being a spammer, so now's he's trying to compensate by making random posts in Wreddit.  Here's a post from six minutes ago titled "The Wyatts vs The Shield from 2014 took place on today's date 7 years ago. Only 3 of the men in that match are still with WWE."  It wasn't even a link to the match or anything.  It was just a text post, and the text said "Again, RIP Brodie."  It was removed and flaired as "Low Effort Text Post."

There's an old William Regal gif that was just posted where he knocks out the Big Show but the Big Show falls on top of him.  The post is titled "William Regal: "I've made a huge mistake"" and it's one of those posts with low resolution, and my mind associates it with 9gag for some reason.  There was also a post just now of an old TNA pay-per-view where AJ Styles tries a 450 and goes through a table.  It's a cool clip so it'll probably do well.  Actually it only has 1 post after 13 minutes, so maybe not.

The thing about the new queue is posts will disappear and unless you've opened them up in a new tab, there's no way to document them, which drives me a little crazy.  It's not my job to document these or anything, but my mind is driven a little crazy by the mere thought of seeing something online, and then looking again 5 minutes later and not seeing it and not being able to find a copy of it.  I suppose that sort of thing happens in real life all the time, but for some reason it's more frustrating when it happens online.

There have now been 7 posts in the last 7 minutes.  So it's almost like people sense there's an opening at the top of the subreddit so they're all rushing to make submissions in hopes of getting their posts to that #1 spot.  I realize that probably isn't the case, but that's what it feel like when you suddenly see a rush of 7 posts in 7 minutes.

11:50 A.M.

A bunch of wrestlers tweeted "The sky is blue," and someone made a post about it and it got removed and flaired as "Low Effort Content: Please consult the rules."  Someone else made a text post that says "[REQUEST] Does anyone have a link to that one edit of Kenny Omega jumping and diving with the tiktok "wee" sound effect?"  The text just says "read title."  It has 0 comments and is at 29% upvotes after 29 minutes.  I'm half-expecting the moderators to remove it, but I guess it doesn't violate any rules.  It's just a random request.

12:00 P.M.

Someone shared a YouTube video from GirlOnCinema.  The post is titled "GirlOnCinema reviews last weeks episode of AEW Dynamite."  I've seen her videos pop up on YouTube.  She's basically a hater, and it's always a little disorienting to suddenly see a video like this get posted on Wreddit as well.  It's like, 'Hey, I thought I was the only one who saw that on YouTube!"  

Like I said, someone called out JakeJeremy for spamming his site, so he quickly posted a WrestlingInc.com article.  It was an excerpt of a Jon Moxley interview, except there was already a link yesterday to metro.co.uk regarding the same interview, so his post was removed and flaired as a repost.  He also posted a YouTube clip from WWE's channel of a Randy Savage vs. Hulk Hogan match from 1990.

12:15 P.M.

Hey, that Dave Meltzer post made it to the #1 spot in the subreddit.  364 upvotes after 4 hours.

12:25 P.M.

Here's the post where someone called out the OP for spamming FighterFans.com.  It was an article about a Shayna Baszler interview, and a commenter named trnzone wrote "Again spamming your site."  The post has 11 upvotes at the time  (73% upvoted) and it actually got removed by the moderators, so it seems like someone else noticed.  It was the second FighterFans.com link today, which I said earlier was my own hypothetical "limit."

12:35 P.M.

There was another tweet today from BluRayWrestling with a clip from WOR where Dave Meltzer talks about Mexican and Puerto Rican culture and part of me is tempted to post it on Wreddit just to see the reaction.  Because clearly BluRayWrestlng frames it a certain way.  But, depending on how the Wreddit post is written, people will either agree or disagree with the framing of the Wreddit post itself.  Like, you have to keep it neutral, but it's so subtle at the same time.  I feel like there are rare situations where you could post the exact same clip, and depending on the framing, people will either agree or disagree with the gist of the clip.  I say rare situations, because you'd probably have a hard time posting a Jim Cornette clip of Wreddit and have people go, "You know, he made some interesting points."  And the moderators seem to be getting stricter about having neutral titles.  They allow user to craft their own titles, but they don't want obviously editorialized titles where you give you opinion about the content in the title itself.  Some of the Meltzer threads the other day were removed because they contained emoji strings, even though the original tweet from BluRayWrestling contained an emoji string.  In one of the recent BluRayWrestling threads, one of the moderators outright referred to him as a "sociopath," so there is something to the idea that, if you post his tweets in Wreddit, some people will take a look and disagree with his whole framing.  But I'm thinking right now it's better in the long run not to contribute to it.     

There was one Bad Bunny thread today so far, incidentally from JakeJeremy, and the OP was kind of praising Bad Bunny and talking about how The Miz provided a good template for how you can take a reality start and transition them into WWE, but the thread itself got 0 upvotes and only 5 comments.  There was a thread yesterday talking about how a clip of Bad Bunny slapping Miz on Instagram got over a million views in a short amount of time, and here's what I find interesting about that:  The thread provided the opportunity for people to praise Bad Bunny, and talk about his popularity, etc...  but people wouldn't have had the opportunity to talk about that if the thread itself hadn't been created.  The OP was clearly a Bad Bunny fan.  But if it weren't for that one thread, then all the talking points wouldn't have been spread for the day.  It's kind of like how the Zero Fucks Friday threads tend to bring up controversies from earlier in the week regarding Dave Meltzer, but if it weren't for the threads earlier in the week mentioning Dave Meltzer, you wouldn't have those comment in Zero Fucks Friday.  In theory, you could have someone in ZFF say, "Hey, I was listening to Meltzer's podcst, and want to talk about something he said," but that doesn't happen.  A comment in Zero Fucks Friday about Dave Meltzer has to be in response to something that was already posted on Wreddit earlier in the week.

1:00 P.M.

You know what's funny?  Everyone on Wreddit rags on Jim Cornette, but one of the top posts the other week was a tweet from Maki Itoh responding to Cornette.  He said something about how she pretty brush up on being a deity of shit, and she responded ""I AM DEITY OF SHIT."  The post got 4,301 upvotes, and now everyone on Wreddit knows who Maki Itoh is.  And then it led to that meta discussion about whether Jim Cornette posts should be banned from Wreddit and my impression is people voted to keep allowing Jim Cornette posts.  I don't think this was planned or anything--not the Maki/Cornette interaction nor the subsequent meta post.  It's just an interaction that happened.  But you wouldn't get those interactions if the community didn't allow controversial opinions.  If, hypothetically, they did ban Jim Cornette posts, then I wonder if they would still allow people to respond to Jim Cornette.  That was the weird thing about the whole meta discussion:  People were talking about whether to ban Cornette, but the post that precipitated that discussion was about a girl dunking on him.  There was an incident where Cornette was a commentator for NWA, and he made a joke on TV and people thought it was a racist joke and there was a lot of blowback; the Maki Itoh post was of a different nature, which someone still led to the meta discussion.  It makes sense to me, but at the same time it doesn't make sense.  If you look at the meta thread, and all the examples the moderator gave of troublesome Jim Cornette threads, like half the threads were originally made for the purpose of complaining about Jim Cornette.  There was one (removed) post titled "Jim Cornette basically said the only way Jade Cargill would be in this storyline, is if Shaq(who is 20 years older) is F'ing her. WTF is wrong with him" and another was titled "  Another was a link to Wrestling-edge.com and was titled "Cornette is on his racist & sexist bullshit again: Jim Cornette Claims Jade Is 'Shelton Benjamin In A Wig'"  The NWA thing was a clear case of blowback.  Someone was offended, went on Twitter, blah blah blah...  The meta post was different.  I feel like they weren't talking about banning Jim Cornette.  They were talking about banning posts where people complain about Jim Cornette.  They didn't want to have posts where people said, 'Hey, Jim Cornette said a racist/sexist thing on his podcast. WTF is wrong with this guy?'  I'm sure some moderators were genuinely offended by some of the things Jim Cornette said, but the [meta] post was really more in response to the complaint theads rather than to Jim Cornette himself.  And the Maki Itoh post itself wans't even a complaint; it was a dunking-on post, and everyone loved it.  And another thread cited in the meta post was about Jim Cornette dunking on Chris Jericho, and that one was highly upvoted, so it's odd to include that with all the other posts, since it indicates that sometimes people agree with what Jim Cornette has to say. 

5:30 P.M.

The top post right now is about The Miz becoming a 2x Grand Slam champion, which is kind of interesting because he's facing Bobby Lashley in a title match next week.  The Miz occupies this weird spot where he's not exactly an "internet darling," but every wrestling fan on the internet likes him, because you have to be a huge WWE fan to still follow it regularly, and anyone who's still a huge fan at this point will appreciate someone like The Miz who has a lot of hustle and loyalty to WWE.  So, on Twitter, you see a lot of smarks saying "Oh, I bet the smarks hate saying this," but in reality everyone likes him.  Plus, he's a good heel when given the chance.  And next week he's facing Bobby Lashley, who is another heel who is closer to "internet darling" territory because everyone agrees he's really good and probably overdue to win one of the world titles.  So there's going to be a subtle, unspoken, non-obvious conflict there.

5:35 P.M.

I don't know why anyone would ever upload a video to Reddit using v.redd.it.  It's a horrible player that doesn't load.

7:30 P.M.

(I forget what time I made the below observation, so I'll just put 7:30 P.M. as a wild guess)

It's weird how sometimes posts that deserve to make it to the top of Wreddit won't make it.  There's a thread with a tweet from Kevin Owens where he thanks the ring crew for all their hard work, and it has 851 upvotes after 6 hours, and if it had been posted at a slightly different time, it probably could have reached the top.  Maybe "deserve" isn't the right word, but it's the type of post that fits perfectly with the #1 spot.  And the current #1 post is titled "WWE.com: The Miz becomes first two-time Grand Slam Champion in WWE history," and I'm really surprised that made it to the #1 spot.  It feels like those two posts should switch spots, but there's also a small element of randomness to it.  I noted earlier the Daniel Bryan gif was removed for being a repost, which lowered the hurdle for something else to reach the #1 spot.  It's like when Lost In Space dethroned Titanic as the #1 movie in America 24 years ago, I still remember that and it was just random timing and luck that Lost In Space happened to be the movie that took over the #1 spot that week, although of course it needed to do somewhat well on its own to reach that spot.  

9:35 P.M.

Maybe I can check Wreddit but stop checking the comments on every post and that'll provide a good balance.  There's a new post right now titled "Former Impact Woman Angelina Love supports a massive twat who was once, sadly, president."  It's a link to an Instagram post of Angelina Love kissing a poster of President Trump.  There are three comments so far.  Maybe the people are agreeing Angelina Love is a twat (which is what's implied by the title), or maybe they're pushing back at the OP.  I don't know.  It could be either.  Maybe it's just an unrelated political discussion.  But I don't have to read the comments.  That's what I'm telling myself right now.  I can be aware of the post, but I don't have to read the comments.  The one thing I am tempted to do is check the comments on posts about Dave Meltzer as Bryan Alvarez, because that's less random; that's an ongoing turf war thing.

10:05 P.M.

There's a post titled "Bryan Alvarez on Twitter - I hope Miz starts to brag that among women 18-49 he is the most must-leave champion in WWE history."  Another post is titled "Miz as champion is WWE's version of tanking: Wrestling Observer Live," and it features a radio clip from Alvarez's show.  Both threads contain a lot of commenters dunking on Alvarez.  Bryan certainly plays this up for his radio show, so a lot of the dunking (both by Alvarez and by the commenters) kinda falls into what I imagine is the normal boundary of sports arguments.  The hate that Alvarez gets isn't as weird as the hate that Meltzer gets, because Bryan does act like a troll on Twitter.  Not a stupid troll, but still a troll.  He goes on rants, so they're the type of tweets you would expect from somebody who goes on rants.  Nevertheless, I do wonder about the motivation of the people who make these posts on Wreddit.  If you share a tweet where Bryan is complaining about WWE, then chances are people are going to fire back at him.  It sounds pretty obvious, and, the way I'm describing it, it sounds like a normal dynamic.  But sometimes someone will post a tweet from Bryan and it'll be something everyone agrees with, and other times someone will post a tweet from Bryan and it'll be something everyone disagrees with.  It's not like the Wreddit hivemind has one uniform opinion about Bryan.  The tone of the comments section will shift wildly depending on what tweet of his is being shared.  So I feel there must be a degree of selectivity going on when people do post his tweets, because it's not like people are posting his tweets every day.  It's a selective thing.  Let's say, hypothetically, I was the only person with the ability to post Bryan Alvarez's tweets onto Wreddit.  I could change the tone and the reactions people have towards him depending on which tweets I chose.  I could probably change people's overall opinion of him, depending on which tweets I chose.  So, when someone posts a tweet where Bryan is dunking on The Miz, are they trying to get Wredditors to say, "Gee this guy is really obnoxious," or are they actually in agreement with Bryan and just sharing the tweet because they're, like, an AEW stan or whatever?

There have been times when I've genuinely wondered if someone who was ostensibly pro-Meltzer was actually trying to cause backlash against Meltzer.  Specifically, I'm thinking of a guy named NextChamp who would post recaps of Wrestling Observer Radio, and he would always subtly emphasize parts where Meltzer was critical of WWE.  And people would often seize on this framing and go off against Meltzer for his anti-WWE bias.  So I was wondering, "Is this guy actually pro-Meltzer or anti-Meltzer?"  It wasn't clear.  But I think NextChamp was genuinely pro-Meltzer and anti-WWE, because he also comments on the F4W board, and he's committed to the gimmick to such a degree that you realize it really isn't a gimmick, because no one would expend that much energy in order to project an image which was, at heart, ironic.  

When that person posted Meltzer's throwaway comment about how the Governor of Florida was bought-and-paid for, were they thinking, "Yeah, WWE is a sketchy company in bed with the Governor of Florida!" or did they want to inspire blowback against Meltzer?  Without any further context, it's unclear.  This is something that guys like MeltzerSaidWhat and BluRayWrestling actually do--moreso BluRayWrestling.  They'll share something that Meltzer or Alvarez said, and you know how they want their followers to react.  Each Thursday, Bryan will tweet the ratings for AEW and NXT, and BluRayWrestling will retweet it, and you know that people are going to dive in and reply to Alvarez no matter what the numbers are.  So the only reason you retweet Bryan in that instance is if you're hoping for people to reply to him.  It's a subtle troll job by BluRayWrestling, but it's also the most fucking obvious thing in the world.  

Here's a sample exchange from one of the Alvarez threads I mentioned earlier:

Next247ChampLesnar
16 points 2 hours ago 
I didn't think it was possible for anyone to hate someone as much Bryan hates The Miz

trnzone
10 points an hour ago 
I dunno. I really hate Alvarez.

shane1mh
6 points an hour ago 
Alvarez has the most punchable face in wrestling.


10:10 P.M.

There's an article I considered sharing from Sportskeeda titled ""They buried the guy" - Vince Russo on WWE misusing top RAW Superstar (Exclusive)"  It's about Drew McIntyre.  But everyone would disagree with the point being made because it comes from Vince Russo, and then people would start to think WWE had done a great job this week of building up Drew McIntyre, even though he lost the title on Sunday and didn't appear on Raw Monday.  I don't think he got buried on Sunday, but the fact Vince Russo is saying he got buried would make people's minds retreat in the opposite direction.

10:15 P.M.

Meltzer was skeptical about whether Bad Bunny would wind up being this big ratings and popularity coup for WWE, and, as a result, a lot of people are attacking Dave for his commentary on Bad Bunny.  Another thing Dave said is that he felt, if there were crowds, the crowds might start to turn on Bad Bunny.  And people kinda attacked him for that, because all that had happened so far was Bad Bunny pinned Tozawa for the 24/7 belt and took the belt for SNL.  But it will be interesting to see what happens going forward, both on WWE TV, and in terms of ratings and popularity, and in terms of Wreddit's reaction to Bad Bunny.

11:59 P.M.

Here is a person claiming some...shady happenings regarding /r/AEWOfficial.  I have no idea what it's about and it was removed by the Wreddit mods pretty quickly and flaired as "Not closely related to wrestling."

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